Comments on: The famous 5 minutes trap of WordPress http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/ The combined blog: about WordPress, the Canadian Prairies and myself Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:20:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Moshu http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-23762 Moshu Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:15:11 +0000 http://www.transycan.net/blogtest/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/#comment-23762 Hi Alexander, I don't think there is much that we have disagree on. The above post was born out of my frustration in the WP Support Forums (where I am a mod with 4 years "seniority" and over 20,000 posts...) - and where all the newbies want <em>instant gratification</em>. Without at least the basic knowledge of FTP, HTML or just what a simple plain text editor is, not to mention CSS and/or reading skills to study the Codex, they all want to "customize" themes, to add sidebars and stuff like that. They are the ones that expect everything to be a 5-minutes, one-click thing. I do know how to make <a href="http://www.transycan.net/portfolio/" rel="nofollow">themes</a>, my free Dark Maple theme is used on many thousands of blogs. Thanks for stopping by. Hi Alexander,

I don’t think there is much that we have disagree on. The above post was born out of my frustration in the WP Support Forums (where I am a mod with 4 years “seniority” and over 20,000 posts…) - and where all the newbies want instant gratification. Without at least the basic knowledge of FTP, HTML or just what a simple plain text editor is, not to mention CSS and/or reading skills to study the Codex, they all want to “customize” themes, to add sidebars and stuff like that.
They are the ones that expect everything to be a 5-minutes, one-click thing.

I do know how to make themes, my free Dark Maple theme is used on many thousands of blogs.

Thanks for stopping by.

]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-23760 Alexander Sandler Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:56:10 +0000 http://www.transycan.net/blogtest/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/#comment-23760 I tend to disagree with you on some points. I am running a wordpress based web-site and I think it is a successful one - well, at least I am very pleased with it. 90% of the content I have are static pages and it works just fine. So it's not just plain blogging. Customizing indeed requires good knowledge of CSS, HTML and PHP, but is there any alternative out there? Can you make a serious design without knowing CSS and HTML? No, you can't. Yet WP has plenty of free themes. You can pick one and begin modifying it. Over time you will have something of your own. And it has all those plug-ins that are really handy. Sometimes bugs make it really annoying, but all software has bugs and the only thing you can do is to choose which one has less problems at some given point of time. On the other hand I totally dislike how WP talks about typepad trap. I bet it is completely the same with WP - once you in, you cannot get out without loosing all your content. And even if its not true, changing your habits is always difficult, so any software that requires you to get used to itself is a trap. I tend to disagree with you on some points. I am running a wordpress based web-site and I think it is a successful one - well, at least I am very pleased with it. 90% of the content I have are static pages and it works just fine. So it’s not just plain blogging.
Customizing indeed requires good knowledge of CSS, HTML and PHP, but is there any alternative out there? Can you make a serious design without knowing CSS and HTML? No, you can’t.
Yet WP has plenty of free themes. You can pick one and begin modifying it. Over time you will have something of your own.
And it has all those plug-ins that are really handy.
Sometimes bugs make it really annoying, but all software has bugs and the only thing you can do is to choose which one has less problems at some given point of time.

On the other hand I totally dislike how WP talks about typepad trap. I bet it is completely the same with WP - once you in, you cannot get out without loosing all your content. And even if its not true, changing your habits is always difficult, so any software that requires you to get used to itself is a trap.

]]> By: Kate http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-15037 Kate Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:01:36 +0000 http://www.transycan.net/blogtest/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/#comment-15037 One lololol At the five minute install. I now pay to upgrade...haahahahaha! On 'Classic' at the minute see if I can mess that up as well..:D One lololol

At the five minute install.

I now pay to upgrade…haahahahaha!

On ‘Classic’ at the minute see if I can mess that up as well..:D

]]> By: Brandon http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-15040 Brandon Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:29:23 +0000 http://www.transycan.net/blogtest/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/#comment-15040 Compared to my last Movable Type install, the WP 5 minute install instructions and implementation was just that. It was simple, streamlined, and it WORKED! Even on my GoDaddy hosting account. Yes, you're totally right about the customization and most people do not realize that integrating the blog stuff into the whole of a website takes much more work. I'm attempting to learn all that (albeit very slowly) now. It'll take more than just one site and one implementation, and that's okay with me. All that said, a WP install is very easy compared to what I've dealt with in the past with MT. Compared to my last Movable Type install, the WP 5 minute install instructions and implementation was just that. It was simple, streamlined, and it WORKED! Even on my GoDaddy hosting account.

Yes, you’re totally right about the customization and most people do not realize that integrating the blog stuff into the whole of a website takes much more work. I’m attempting to learn all that (albeit very slowly) now. It’ll take more than just one site and one implementation, and that’s okay with me.

All that said, a WP install is very easy compared to what I’ve dealt with in the past with MT.

]]> By: Moshu http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-15039 Moshu Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:19:18 +0000 http://www.transycan.net/blogtest/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/#comment-15039 Oh yeah, a WP "blog" can look in many ways... <a href="http://www.transycan.net/portfolio/" rel="nofollow">http://www.transycan.net/portfolio/</a> Oh yeah, a WP “blog” can look in many ways…
http://www.transycan.net/portfolio/

]]> By: Amy http://moshublog.com/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-15038 Amy Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:14:03 +0000 http://www.transycan.net/blogtest/2008/02/06/the-famous-5-minutes-trap-of-wordpress/#comment-15038 LOL. My "five minutes" worked out to be approximately a dozen days, working until wee hours of the morning. Visiting the WordPress help forums to the point where even kind-tempered mods were getting fed up with my "silly" questions, and numerous headaches working out odd quirks with Internet Explorer. And I thought I knew css. That said, a WordPress blog can be made to look like your page. It takes a lot more effort than five minutes though. LOL. My “five minutes” worked out to be approximately a dozen days, working until wee hours of the morning. Visiting the WordPress help forums to the point where even kind-tempered mods were getting fed up with my “silly” questions, and numerous headaches working out odd quirks with Internet Explorer. And I thought I knew css.

That said, a WordPress blog can be made to look like your page. It takes a lot more effort than five minutes though.

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