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		<title>By: InvisibleMinority</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14975</link>
		<dc:creator>InvisibleMinority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the &lt;strong&gt;politically correct&lt;/strong&gt; (PC) euphemism for non-white people is "visible minority".
Which, actually, in Toronto is a non-sense: the coloured people make up about 51-52% of the population, so they are not minority anymore.

I look like a white Caucasian (another idiotic term born out of being afraid to call things on their own proper name), even more, I am a European white man, so I am "invisible" among the Canadians until I am quiet. If I open my mouth, my accent betrayes me as an immigrant :) Immigrant = minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the <strong>politically correct</strong> (PC) euphemism for non-white people is &#8220;visible minority&#8221;.<br />
Which, actually, in Toronto is a non-sense: the coloured people make up about 51-52% of the population, so they are not minority anymore.</p>
<p>I look like a white Caucasian (another idiotic term born out of being afraid to call things on their own proper name), even more, I am a European white man, so I am &#8220;invisible&#8221; among the Canadians until I am quiet. If I open my mouth, my accent betrayes me as an immigrant :) Immigrant = minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14974</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An invisible minority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An invisible minority?</p>
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		<title>By: InvisibleMinority</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14973</link>
		<dc:creator>InvisibleMinority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the "shadow" thing: the folk wisdom around here says, if America catches a cold, Canada is sneezing...
And to make things more complicated I am just an "invisible minority" in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the &#8220;shadow&#8221; thing: the folk wisdom around here says, if America catches a cold, Canada is sneezing&#8230;<br />
And to make things more complicated I am just an &#8220;invisible minority&#8221; in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14972</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my bad, I wasn't trying to make assumptions but the comment flowed easier if I just referenced Americans as 'you.' Was just a you directed at the American people.

Kind of guessed you weren't American because you were talking about things in Canada, anyhow feels like Canada is in America's shadow and they don't have much of an international voice so meh.

Being voiceless internationally is a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, no one really has reason to hate you, on the other, you're a visible entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my bad, I wasn&#8217;t trying to make assumptions but the comment flowed easier if I just referenced Americans as &#8216;you.&#8217; Was just a you directed at the American people.</p>
<p>Kind of guessed you weren&#8217;t American because you were talking about things in Canada, anyhow feels like Canada is in America&#8217;s shadow and they don&#8217;t have much of an international voice so meh.</p>
<p>Being voiceless internationally is a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, no one really has reason to hate you, on the other, you&#8217;re a visible entity.</p>
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		<title>By: InvisibleMinority</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14971</link>
		<dc:creator>InvisibleMinority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record: I am &lt;a href="http://myprairiegazette.transycan.net/about" rel="nofollow"&gt;Canadian&lt;/a&gt;. But from afar... it's almost the same :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record: I am <a href="http://myprairiegazette.transycan.net/about" rel="nofollow">Canadian</a>. But from afar&#8230; it&#8217;s almost the same :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14976</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see now. On the same note, I love how the Americans have monopolized the use of the word "American" when one refers to their citizenship.

The United States is not the only country that is located in the North American continent, there's also a South American continent but only people from the states are Americans.

It's amusing almost. Same thing with the unfortunate soul who happens to be dark skinned and non-African. According to the "Americans" all dark skinned people are Africans.

So, there are no white African-Americans, ey?

I'm not just a minority I'm second class in most people's eyes over at my end of the world, I don't officially have my rights but I can still get them. Provided I'm over 21, and provided I'm married. Or I should risk out casting.

Arabic countries do not support unmarried females who live outside their families homes. Technically, you can do it, nothing stops you, but it's a social nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see now. On the same note, I love how the Americans have monopolized the use of the word &#8220;American&#8221; when one refers to their citizenship.</p>
<p>The United States is not the only country that is located in the North American continent, there&#8217;s also a South American continent but only people from the states are Americans.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amusing almost. Same thing with the unfortunate soul who happens to be dark skinned and non-African. According to the &#8220;Americans&#8221; all dark skinned people are Africans.</p>
<p>So, there are no white African-Americans, ey?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not just a minority I&#8217;m second class in most people&#8217;s eyes over at my end of the world, I don&#8217;t officially have my rights but I can still get them. Provided I&#8217;m over 21, and provided I&#8217;m married. Or I should risk out casting.</p>
<p>Arabic countries do not support unmarried females who live outside their families homes. Technically, you can do it, nothing stops you, but it&#8217;s a social nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://moshublog.com/2006/05/23/the-lacking-credibility-of-moderate-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-14970</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Actually, this is not the first documentary of this kind. I have seen even on CBC -- quite a while ago -- a similar film: Muslim mothers being proud of their suicide bomber sons and raising their younger kids (the next generation of bombers) in the very same spirit. Everything was based on facts and their own confessions."

That's extremely one sided, I'll have you know that I've watched Arabic documentaries showing the exact opposite, Muslim parents, fathers and mothers feeling extremely devastated at the loss, and yes, angry at people who planted the suicide bomber seed into their son's head. Those documentaries you talk about (and I've seen one that showed a mother being proud of her son) are extremely unfair in my view.

I try not to conclude that the creators are selectively seeking material that justifies their arguments, but then what am I supposed to think?

I'm sick and tired of hearing people blame the Arabic people for not standing up to their government's oppression, especially if they happen to be American because as far as I can see, in your great land of democracy, you've failed to elect a competent leader. Not just that, you've elected him twice, way to go.

No I didn't write this comment to bash the current president, I'm pointing out that even in democracies you somehow end up with someone whom the majority of the population seems to dislike. How on earth does that happen, hmm?

Most countries in my region do not have democracies, and even those who do, the corruption is so bad that they don't work and never will, especially when you have American foreign policies and 'interventions' that only rile the fanatics up and have them disrupting society.

Furthermore, I believe that the problems we're facing as countries in the Middle East are all steaming from something as simple as family matters, yes, its on that kind of level. But that's just my take on it.

You have no "country loyalties" you're not raised that way, depending on how religious fanatic your family is you may have religious loyalties and usually those people are all in it for the politics, its not  a belief in what they're preaching, they preach for attention and status and both feed their families.

Because they're preaching so and so they have to put on an act that proves it. That act is very extreme and visual and yup, the women dress in black, the guy has a beard and he won't shake hands with 'those bastard infidels.'

Moderate Arabic-Muslims don't do much about it because they too are interested in their own affairs and keeping their families out of harms way, contrary to popular belief, the majority of Arabic people are unwilling to die for what they believe in. Even when promised 'an army of virgins' when it's all done and over with.

A good article nevertheless. I'm in the opinion that the people of this world better wake up before our goverments screw us over royally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, this is not the first documentary of this kind. I have seen even on CBC &#8212; quite a while ago &#8212; a similar film: Muslim mothers being proud of their suicide bomber sons and raising their younger kids (the next generation of bombers) in the very same spirit. Everything was based on facts and their own confessions.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s extremely one sided, I&#8217;ll have you know that I&#8217;ve watched Arabic documentaries showing the exact opposite, Muslim parents, fathers and mothers feeling extremely devastated at the loss, and yes, angry at people who planted the suicide bomber seed into their son&#8217;s head. Those documentaries you talk about (and I&#8217;ve seen one that showed a mother being proud of her son) are extremely unfair in my view.</p>
<p>I try not to conclude that the creators are selectively seeking material that justifies their arguments, but then what am I supposed to think?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick and tired of hearing people blame the Arabic people for not standing up to their government&#8217;s oppression, especially if they happen to be American because as far as I can see, in your great land of democracy, you&#8217;ve failed to elect a competent leader. Not just that, you&#8217;ve elected him twice, way to go.</p>
<p>No I didn&#8217;t write this comment to bash the current president, I&#8217;m pointing out that even in democracies you somehow end up with someone whom the majority of the population seems to dislike. How on earth does that happen, hmm?</p>
<p>Most countries in my region do not have democracies, and even those who do, the corruption is so bad that they don&#8217;t work and never will, especially when you have American foreign policies and &#8216;interventions&#8217; that only rile the fanatics up and have them disrupting society.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I believe that the problems we&#8217;re facing as countries in the Middle East are all steaming from something as simple as family matters, yes, its on that kind of level. But that&#8217;s just my take on it.</p>
<p>You have no &#8220;country loyalties&#8221; you&#8217;re not raised that way, depending on how religious fanatic your family is you may have religious loyalties and usually those people are all in it for the politics, its not  a belief in what they&#8217;re preaching, they preach for attention and status and both feed their families.</p>
<p>Because they&#8217;re preaching so and so they have to put on an act that proves it. That act is very extreme and visual and yup, the women dress in black, the guy has a beard and he won&#8217;t shake hands with &#8216;those bastard infidels.&#8217;</p>
<p>Moderate Arabic-Muslims don&#8217;t do much about it because they too are interested in their own affairs and keeping their families out of harms way, contrary to popular belief, the majority of Arabic people are unwilling to die for what they believe in. Even when promised &#8216;an army of virgins&#8217; when it&#8217;s all done and over with.</p>
<p>A good article nevertheless. I&#8217;m in the opinion that the people of this world better wake up before our goverments screw us over royally.</p>
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		<title>By: duckdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>duckdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  Every peaceful human being deserves the utmost respect in this world, but respect must be earned.  If I spout off hateful words about someone else I haven't demonstrated that I deserve much respect.  My (admittedly second hand) impreesion of Islam scripture is that it's very hateful, especially in it's page after page derision of "unbelievers".  Fortunately many Muslims have reached a more global perspective and are mature enough to behave better than their books might instruct them, in the same way that liberal Christians can be better Christians than Christ often is depicted in the Bible.  At the same time however there are countless Muslims living with brutal Muslim "blinders" on and unable to view anyone outside their faith group with anything other than hate.  WE OUTSIDE of Islam can do nothing to help them.  The only people able to truly help them are peaceful and enlightened Muslims.  As long as spokespeople like Miss Siddiqui continue to accuse the rest of the world of hate, I fear we have little hope out of this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Every peaceful human being deserves the utmost respect in this world, but respect must be earned.  If I spout off hateful words about someone else I haven&#8217;t demonstrated that I deserve much respect.  My (admittedly second hand) impreesion of Islam scripture is that it&#8217;s very hateful, especially in it&#8217;s page after page derision of &#8220;unbelievers&#8221;.  Fortunately many Muslims have reached a more global perspective and are mature enough to behave better than their books might instruct them, in the same way that liberal Christians can be better Christians than Christ often is depicted in the Bible.  At the same time however there are countless Muslims living with brutal Muslim &#8220;blinders&#8221; on and unable to view anyone outside their faith group with anything other than hate.  WE OUTSIDE of Islam can do nothing to help them.  The only people able to truly help them are peaceful and enlightened Muslims.  As long as spokespeople like Miss Siddiqui continue to accuse the rest of the world of hate, I fear we have little hope out of this situation.</p>
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